Marine Aviation 

Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover? 

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By Sandra I. Erwin 

When it comes to saving prized weapon systems from the budget ax, the Marine Corps has excelled like no other branch of the military.

The Marines beat back Dick Cheney and other Pentagon bosses who tried to kill the V-22 Osprey. They have, so far, managed to keep the troubled Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle alive despite exorbitant cost overruns over nearly two decades and widespread criticism about its relevance to modern warfare.

Marines also have weathered episodic challenges to the notion that they need their own air force — a question that tends to bubble up during Pentagon budget crunches. With the defense budget now under pressure, it is no surprise that the Marine Corps is having to once again put up a PR front to defend one of its treasured aviation programs, the F-35B, which is the short-takeoff vertical landing variant of the Joint Strike Fighter, known as STOVL.

For older marines, it is like déjà vu all over again. The aircraft that the F-35B is replacing, the Harrier, also came under attack in the early 1980s as it was viewed as a threat to conventional carrier aviation. Harrier proponents prevailed and marines believe the past two decades proved there is a place on the battlefield for STOVL tactical aviation. Harrier enthusiasts are salivating at the arrival of the F-35B, which is stealthier and far more technologically advanced than its predecessor.

But the F-35B, like the JSF program as a whole, is coming of age at a time of trillion-dollar deficits and growing discontent about the nation’s mounting debt. After a decade of double-digit increases in defense spending, the tide is turning and weapons such as the $120 million per-copy F-35B are under the microscope. Defense pundits specifically have questioned the utility of the STOVL F-35B, and some aviation experts have warned that the Corps should consider alternatives.

F-35B champions were particularly miffed at comments made last month by an anonymous defense official to Brookings Institution fellow Noah Shachtman, who wrote in a Wall Street Journal editorial that the Defense Department should consider scrapping the marine version of JSF because it is saddling a program that is already way over budget with unnecessary cost and complexity. “The marines have talked themselves into believing they really need this capability,” the senior defense official told Shachtman. “But it’s one we’ve never counted on in any fight.”

Supporters of the F-35B also were peeved by prime contractor Lockheed Martin CEO Robert Stevens’ factually accurate comments about F-35B flight tests being behind schedule because of its high component failure rates. Stevens recently told Wall Street analysts that test delays were caused by higher-than-expected failure rates for various aircraft components and subsystems. “The components that are failing are more of the things that would appear either smaller or more ordinary like thermal cooling fans, door actuators, selected valves or switches or components of the power system,” Stevens said. He noted that Lockheed is working with vendors to determine the causes of the part failures.

Marines who have been waiting years for the F-35B are unhappy with the flak that the aircraft has drawn, said Marine Lt. Col. Michael Dehner, an F/A-18 Hornet pilot and currently a JSF test plans coordinator who oversees F-35B flight tests at Patuxent River, Md.

The F-35B is scheduled to replace the Harrier beginning in 2012, although Harriers will be around until at least 2021. Marines hope to buy more than 400, and the U.K. Royal Navy is expected to order additional aircraft. The physics of vertical takeoff and landing make it considerably more complex than the Air Force and the Navy versions of the F-35. Regardless, marines are pushing back on the idea that STOVL aircraft are unaffordable luxuries.

“Everybody is free to give an opinion,” Dehner said in an interview. But marines are not going to give up the dream of an all-STOVL fleet, because it is essential to how they do business, he said.

Most military aircraft programs in the past have gone through similar growing pains as the F-35, but there is far less tolerance today given the budget climate and the backlash against big-ticket Pentagon programs that are chronically behind schedule and over budget. The budget environment is “absolutely” one reason why the program is under fire, Dehner said.

The F-35 top official, Navy Vice Adm. David Venlet, is now concentrating on budget concerns, following a major restructuring of the JSF program earlier this year, Dehner said. “He’s invited a lot of very senior people from all the services to evaluate the program,” he said. The message from Venlet: “Let’s look at our plans and resources over the next four years. Let’s look at resources and plans and make sure they match,” Dehner said. The entire F-35 program is being reorganized following a significant cost overrun (known as a Nunn-McCurdy breach). The restructuring is expected to be completed in November.

On the F-35B, Dehner downplayed the test setbacks, although he conceded that component breakdowns are a “real problem.” Of the current fleet of 15 F-35s, five are STOVL, and four are flying. As each aircraft comes off the production line, marines want to ensure that Lockheed fixed previously identified glitches such as part failures, Dehner said. “The aircraft has been flying consistently over the past several weeks,” he said. “It is too early to say if we’ve turned the corner or this has been just a good couple of weeks.”

Because it is early in the program — 220 hours into a 5,000-hour test schedule — components can be redesigned relatively painlessly, he insisted. Component malfunctions are fairly normal for a new aircraft, he said. “As good as our modeling and 21st century production is, you don’t really get how all the pieces interact with each other, the heat, the electronic interference and everything that’s internal to an aircraft until you fly it.”

In a test aircraft, however, a part failure is magnified because the plane is customized with special sensors that are used to monitor vertical takeoffs and landings. Each time a part fails, even if it is a minor issue, it takes a long time to correct in a test aircraft, said Marine Corps spokesman Capt. Craig Thomas.

Dehner said the significance of F-35B tests being behind schedule is being overplayed. The program as of the end of July is 22 flights short, which equates to being about two weeks to a month behind on a four-year test program. “In a year we’ll be cranking out 60 flights a month,” Dehner said. There are three marine test pilots currently at Pax River. At press time, 91 of 125 scheduled F-35B test flights had been completed.

To cushion the blow caused by part failures, the Marine Corps assigned another shift of maintainers to the flight line. Having more help available to change parts cuts down on the delays, he said.

Despite the additional help, it is still a “day-to-day grind” coping with parts that fail. When an actuator goes bad after a short number of hours, it may take a few days to get a replacement. That fuels frustration, Dehner said. Marine maintainers joke about the high “infant mortality” rate for these new parts, he said. To their amazement, what they hear back from suppliers is that many parts were wrongly designed because the vendors weren’t given enough information about the conditions in which these components would be functioning, Dehner said. “Most of the time they didn’t understand the environment they’d be operating in.”

The redesign of the aircraft’s drive shaft is a case in point. In flight tests it was discovered that as the aircraft heated up or cooled down, the drive shaft would expand and contract faster than the aircraft. During extreme temperatures, a buffer in the shaft would create friction, Dehner said. A new drive shaft will be delivered in 2012 and will be retrofit to the 13 aircraft the Marine Corps will own at that point, he said. The glitch will not stop flight tests, he noted.

Assuming these bugs are all fixed, the larger concern for the Marine Corps will be securing a broad base of support for the F-35B.

The whole point of STOVL is to have aerial combat support close to the infantry and to be able to land and take off on short runways, Dehner said. The closeness between the air and the ground team is part of the Marine Corps’ DNA. “We are the air-ground team,” Dehner said. “We train together, we fight together.”

From a war-fighting standpoint, STOVL gives commanders more options, he said. “I can start out on a big-deck carrier. I can move to a smaller amphibious ship. I can work with my coalition partners, and I can get it ashore on a less than 3,000-foot runway. I can be in many spots. It’s hard for the bad guys to figure out where we’re going to be.” While STOVL jets can operate from 29 different ships, the Navy’s conventional take off (CTOL) fighters are restricted to 11 ship variants. On the ground, conventional fighter jets require runways at least 6,000 to 10,000 feet long.

“It’s not like the Marine Corps would go out of business without STOVL, but it would change how we do business if you’re restricted to CTOL,” Dehner said.

The Marine Corps and the Navy have integrated their tac-air organizations, but on the F-35B, the Navy is not being as supportive as it could be, marines grumble. The Navy shuns the notion of integrating Harriers or F-35Bs into carrier wings. And there is always the internal rivalries between those who fly hovering jets and conventional carrier pilots. “There’s a bias within the Navy side,” Dehner said. “You have less people educated on [STOVL] on the Navy side. In general they don’t understand what the F-35B is going to bring,” he said. “The STOVL JSF is more capable than anything we have today in Navy-Marine Corps tac-air team.”

Within the Navy, the Marine Corps is being criticized not just for its zealous attitude about STOVL, but also because the Corps is refusing to consider alternatives. In an article published in the July 2010 issue of Armed Forces Journal International, Navy F/A-18 pilot Lt. Cmdr. Perry Solomon said that marines are accepting an “untenable amount of risk” by going all-in with F-35B. “The Marine Corps must, at least privately, explore options to the wholesale procurement of the F-35B or prepare to weather the turbulence. … The Corps needs the F-35B, but it cannot afford — doctrinally or fiscally — to have only the F-35B,” said Solomon, who is now the department head of the Strike Fighter Squadron 213 at Naval Air Station Oceana, Va.

Countering Marine arguments about the superiority of STOVL, Solomon asserted that CTOL aircraft of the same construction and dimensions as a STOVL aircraft can fly farther and deliver more ordnance. “The extra space and weight required by the STOVL-specific propulsion and mechanical controls equate to a reduction in the lifting capability of the aircraft,” he wrote in the AFJI article. “The F-35B and F-35C (the aircraft carrier variant) have similar dimensions and the same engine; however, the F-35B has 75 percent the combat radius of the F-35C and carries less than half as much ordnance for short takeoff.”

Although the cancellation of the entire F-35 program is unlikely, he said, the “customers of the STOVL variant remain those with the most to lose.”

Marine Corps leaders, he added, are “making an existential gamble on an untested and unproven weapons system.
Reader Comments

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

until the F136 makes news the F-35B will remains an underpowered "COW" when in a hover compared the the Harrier.

Dennis on 09/10/2010 at 18:37

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2010-01.html
“Fights between the F-22A and the PAK-FA will be close, high, fast and lethal. The F-22A may get ‘first look’ with the APG-77, the Advanced Infra Red Search and Track (AIRST) sensor having been deleted to save money, but the PAK-FA may get ‘first look’ using its advanced infrared sensor. [...] The outcome will be difficult to predict as it will depend a lot on the combat skills of the pilots and the capabilities of the missiles for end-game kills. There is no guarantee that the F-22 will prevail every time.”

"The proposed “sixth generation fighter” is not a viable contender in this time frame. The F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter is not competitive and cannot be made to be competitive due to basic design limitations in aerodynamic and VLO shaping performance. The only aircraft built by the United States which can survive in airspace contested by the PAK-FA is the F-22 Raptor, and given the time frame of interest, it is the only design which can be adapted to defeat the PAK-FA."

“the F-35 will no longer be a usable combat aircraft for roles other than Counter Insurgency (COIN), though more cost effective and more appropriate solutions already exist for this role.”

"the only viable ... strategy [...] is to terminate the Joint Strike Fighter program immediately, redirect freed funding to further develop the F-22 Raptor, and employ variants of the F-22 aircraft as the primary fighter aircraft for all United States and Allied TACAIR needs.
If the US does not fundamentally change its planning [...], the advantage held for decades will be soon lost...

luxo on 08/30/2010 at 12:43

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

Moderator? Proof? Depravity? How did a serious "existential" debate about the future of naval aviation turn into a personal vendetta? I retire. This forum has gone behind the looking glass.

Raymond Dudderar on 08/30/2010 at 09:14

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

Also, I was never "fired" from the Marine Corps. I left after my contract service period ended, with no poor Fitreps or pass overs for promotion.

I ask the moderator to ask Mr. Cunningham to provide him with proof, and then remove that slander and ban him from further posts when he provides none. This demonstrates the pure greed for those working some contractors, personally disparaging anyone trying to expose fraud. I am a rare person who posts under my real name, yet this demonstrates why active officers must post under anonymous user names.

Carlton Meyer on 08/29/2010 at 16:03

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

Mr. AA Cunningham is a Bell employee who roams the internet covertly attacking critics of the V-22. For example, he cites an anonymous post to prove I am insane. Should I go on military.com and make a post that he is a child molester, and then cite that post here as proof to "discredit" him? This shows the depravity that he represents.

If one bothers to read the actual article about the criminal activity in the the V-22 OPEVAL http://www.g2mil.com/Duma.htm to which he refers, you can understand the fear some people have of an FBI criminal investigation, and jail time.

Now back to the topic for those interested in national defense. A key point is that NAVSEA has declared the V-22 and F-35 as too dangerous to operate from LHAs or LHDs, and even the proposed LHA-Rs, because they melt the deck, in the sense that heat from their engines causes the deck to droop down six inches or more, and heats up the spaces below so much that sailors must flee. There is a picture at that link.

The warp reforms itself after a couple of hours, whilst it remains a severe safety hazard, and causes long-term damage to the ship. The non-skid burns off too.

The solution thus far is to keep the V-22 mostly folded up on deck. Meanwhile, the official solution is that teams of sailors stand-by with large metal insulating pads and rush around the deck and place these below the engines of idling V-22s. I'm serious, that is official temp solution at this time. There is talk spending a billion dollars to refit all the ships with some kind of deck cooling system, but no one has a clue of how that might work.

Meanwhile, the intense heat can burn sailors and fuel hoses. I won't detail the fact that a V-22 cannot safely land on a ship with OEI, much less autorotate.

For those duped by Bell-Boeing PR, the V-22 is the same size as the new CH-53K, yet can carry five times less cargo, three times less troops, has less range, and is broke down more than half the time. They claim it can land faster, but they are referring to landing like an airplane on a runway. It must land slower vertically than a helo to avoid VRS, and at least 100 meters apart.

It is around 30% faster, but as now Bell Exec Nick Lappos once wrote, if speed was all that matters, why don't you own a Lamborghini?

Carlton Meyer on 08/29/2010 at 15:50

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

Austere landings may or may not be a point of validation for the F-35. The main point is the F-35B changes the dynamic.

The truth is the concentrated Combat Power of the Carrier is increasingly irrelevant in today's world of Globally Linked Transnational Terror Groups & Non-state Proxy Armies.

The Key is Persistent Presence, not Concentrated Power.

How great is a F-35c's 250mi range advantage (1000mi vs 750mi) when you can stretch 3 F-35B supporting ships at 2-3000mi intervals extending Combat Reach for 6-10000mi.

The opportunity for more Tailored, Efficient, Relevant, & In-Expensive Combat Air Packages balances out the argument in favor of the F-35B.

Eric on 08/28/2010 at 22:49

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

I have been asked what this "iceberg" of F35B indictments consists of. I can't cover the entire iceberg in this blog, but here are some large ice floes. Exactly what is the nature of CAS ("operating next to our troops" as defined by the USMC) in the future of amphibious assault? How will it be conducted in the age of incredibly networked sensors and precision weapons? Is the F35B a valued contributor, or is this entire STOVL concept an expensive dinosaur dragging down USMC amphibious assault plans? The short answer to all of this is to just ask what platform best matches the USMC amphib CAS concept, an F35B or one of today's very capable attack helos? The array of sensors and weaponry available to an attack helo are convincing. Think about the huge investments we have made in JAGM, APKWS, the awesome Laser Guided Zuni Rocket(5 inch airnorne artillery!), and other precise weapons that can deal with Troops in Contact. Attack helos have operating characteristics (higher sortie rates, shorter slant ranges, lower operating altitudes, etc,) that are much more effective than a fast-mover in the nasty "knife fight" that is true CAS. The other supporting air missions that would destroy deeper, longer-range, heavier-defended enemy threats will be well-handled by USN and USAF assets, including the more capable F35A and C. So, where does the USMC argument for F35B end in this debate? -- in the round file. We don't need, we can't afford, a third national fixed-wing tactical air force.

Raymond Dudderar on 08/28/2010 at 13:24

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

Complexity and austerity are not complementary. The Marines are having a difficult time supporting the MV-22 in Astan - just how difficult it will be to support the F-35B in forward deployment is a reasonable question to entertain.

Charley on 08/25/2010 at 10:37

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

The F35B, like the Harrier before it, is unsupportable ashore in any type of austere basing. You can't, and the USMC has never even tried to, tie up the logisitics lift capability, needed much more for troop support, in order to move the bombs, bullets, parts, fuel, people things, and all of the other stuff required to keep F35B's flying in a sustained combat role. Great airshow airplane, just not the right weapon for a real war. Plus the money we are throwing at the "B" and the risk it is imposing on the larger F35 program is unconscionable. These comments are just the tip of a huge iceberg in the debate over the F35B. It only gets worse.

Raymond Dudderar on 08/21/2010 at 08:55

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

Dan Reno:"The MC and the world knows what a piece of junk the V-22 really is. It has truly shown it's butt in the war and the Marines are having to beg rides off the Army continuously. The V-22 can't even save a Med-Evac unless he's on an asphalt pad! Given it's high maintenace it is a true embarrasement to the MC and the F-35 like the Harrier will no doubt be also. We lost too many good Marines to the Harrier and V-22 to not have learned our lessons. SF Dan"


You're MISJUDGING the V-22 on a mission type that might make up less than 20% of the systems planned life cycle.

Out of necessity the USMC is assisting the US Army by operating in a Static Conflict in a Mature Theater as a 2nd Army. Although its a role the USMC accepts during wartime its a relatively small part of its Primary missions of the past & planned future.

When Major Combat Ops are over the Army will mostly go back to their bases & sit.

The USMC will CONTINUE its role of Strategically positioning Marines in Highly Mobile, Small Units Globally.

Difference being for the 1st time these Small Units will be linked by a self-deploying High Speed Connectors that can land anywhere & are basically rangeless (refeuler).

So does it give some ground to Helos when operating as a helo in a Static Conflict, marginally, but of course.

But when its picking up a Plt of Marines off the Coast of Liberia & dropping them on a JHSV near the Congo your point will be moot.

SELF-DEPLOYING:
Whenever a MV-22 Sqrn attached to a MEU receives orders to shift to A'stan no matter where they are in the world, they pack all their gear & maintenance personnel into the V-22s & fly straight into Theater.

There's no flying the V-22 to the nearest airport & packing it and its gear and personnel onto C-5s & flying into theater.

It simply packs all its stuff & in a matter of hrs is in theater ready to roll.

How many weeks will it take to redeploy a Helo Sqn fr/Iraq to A'stan?? 1wk, 2, 3??

A'stan's 1st MV-22 Sqn was in Iraq one day & redeployed to A'stan the next. A Sqn was on a MEU transiting the Atlantic one day & in A'stan ready to roll the next.

Eric on 08/20/2010 at 19:24

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

Dan Reno:"The MC and the world knows what a piece of junk the V-22 really is. It has truly shown it's butt in the war and the Marines are having to beg rides off the Army continuously. The V-22 can't even save a Med-Evac unless he's on an asphalt pad! Given it's high maintenace it is a true embarrasement to the MC and the F-35 like the Harrier will no doubt be also. We lost too many good Marines to the Harrier and V-22 to not have learned our lessons. SF Dan"

Anybody who knows hows anything about coordination of Regional Air knows that that Air Boss is in command of all Air assets in his AO & combines & uses them in the most efficient way to support all units.

There's an Army CAB operating in the heart of Helmand when available that CAB supports USMC missions & vice versa.

Helos fr/that CAB could be supporting 5th Stryker today, Royal Rifles tomorrow, &Marine Ops the next day.

So don't misrepresent the facts.

Eric on 08/20/2010 at 17:54

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

A.A. Cunningham's point is well taken. On the other hand, Meyer's points re "austere" airfield limitation do jibe with official documents. Which is why his points deserve strong checking, but must still be addressed on their merits.

What the F-35B can do is operate from LHA/LHD ships, a huge American investment that would otherwise be restricted to helicopters only. It's also a large and growing niche market around the world, as these ships gain popularity. For small carriers and LHDs, the F-35B is the only fighter game in town.

Then there's the British, who have always planned to use the F-35B from their new carriers, and are the F-35 program's other Tier 1 partner.

So the program drivers are there, but they're naval, rather than USMC doctrine and austere runways.

Having said all that, we'll want to see serious proof (rather than airy dismissals) that concerns over deck-buckling exhaust temperatures have been dealt with.

Joe Katzman on 08/17/2010 at 00:06

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

The MC and the world knows what a piece of junk the V-22 really is. It has truly shown it's butt in the war and the Marines are having to beg rides off the Army continuously. The V-22 can't even save a Med-Evac unless he's on an asphalt pad! Given it's high maintenace it is a true embarrasement to the MC and the F-35 like the Harrier will no doubt be also. We lost too many good Marines to the Harrier and V-22 to not have learned our lessons. SF Dan

Dan Reno on 08/15/2010 at 13:19

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

Readers of Carlton Meyer's uneducated comments should know that Meyer has no expertise in any aspect of aviation, let alone tactical aviation.

Readers should also know that Meyer has an agenda; criticizing the organization that fired him - The United States Marine Corps.

Meyer has been exposed as a fraud:

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5671946761/m/591104612?r=6090010801001#6090010801001

in his lame attempt to pass off nonexistent testimony, that he himself fabricated, as legitimate. He has also been banned from posting at military.com as a result of his dishonesty.

Rather than do the honorable thing and keep his mouth shut about things he knows nothing about, Meyer attacks those who expose him for the fraud he is as "covert PR floggers."

Be advised, if Carlton Meyer tells you what time it is, get a second opinion.

A.A. Cunningham on 08/15/2010 at 09:39

Re: Tactical Aviation’s Existential Debate: To Hover or Not to Hover?

It would seem STOVL is a no-brainer, for those without brains. This capability adds much empty weight so performance is lost. It adds complexity, which greatly increases procurement and maintenance costs, while lowering readiness.

The problem is that expensive jet aircraft cannot really operate from "austere" sites because of all the fuel and maintenance required.

Likewise with the failed V-22, you end up with a horribly expensive aircraft that is broke down most of the time. It is the size of a CH-53E, with one-third its payload and LESS range. Here is a primer for those interested: Why Tiltrotors Fail. http://www.g2mil.com/tiltrotors.htm

This is no secret outside the USA or outside the Marine Corps, which is why the Army, civilian airliners, nor any other nation wants tiltrotors.

I will now await childish attacks by Bell's covert PR floggers.

Carlton Meyer on 08/14/2010 at 00:10

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