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Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves 

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By Stew Magnuson 

Maj. Gen. Mastin M. Robeson, head of the Marine Corps Special Operations Command, knows his relatively new force inhabits two communities steeped in tradition.

The Marine Corps “should never question that being a Marine is first and foremost who we are,” he said. “But the special operations community out there … should never question that special operations is absolutely what we do and we want to be world class at it.”

MARSOC, headquartered at Camp LeJeune, N.C., was established in February 2006 in response to then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s desire that U.S. Special Operations Command take the lead role in worldwide anti-terrorism efforts.

Until that time, the Air Force, Army and Navy all had their own special operations forces, but not the Marines. Pentagon leaders wanted the service to make a contribution to SOCOM, which was asked to expand its ranks.

The decision to stand up the new command was not without controversy since many Marines believed that the Corps already was an elite force.

Three years after MARSOC’s establishment, Robeson believes that controversy should now be put to rest.

When he said “special operations are absolutely what we do,” he is referring to the Marine Corps’ tradition of operating in countries that are considered “backwaters.” For him, the mission is a natural fit for a service that has always worked in tough conditions.  

“We’ve been doing operations in small wars — the armpits of the world — ever since our [creation]. It’s where we made our reputation,” Robeson said.

“We believe our Marine culture significantly gives us a leg up on the other people that come to SOCOM,” he added.

Along with boosting the number of personnel available to Special Operations Command in a time of need, Adm. Eric T. Olson, SOCOM commander, has asked MARSOC to deploy companies for special operations missions.

“We train to do company level operations as one of our primary contributions to SOCOM but with the ability to decentralize … any time we need to,” Robeson said.

Teams have gone on 31 different deployments in South America, the Caribbean, Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia and Southeast Asia, he said.

The new force has not achieved the “fully mission capable” designation yet.

Although it is “operationally capable,” meaning it can carry out small missions, and has been doing so for the past two years. Robeson expects MARSOC to reach its full complement of personnel, numbering about 2,500, in fiscal year 2011.

It has mostly been carrying out small unit training in developing nations in an effort to bolster their militaries’ abilities to conduct their own counter-terrorism operations.

But MARSOC has had to emerge from beneath a cloud after the first company deployed into a combat zone allegedly killed as many as 19 civilians in Nangahar Province in Afghanistan.

The March 4, 2007 incident began when a bomb-laden truck exploded near a MARSOC convoy. The company was accused of using excessive force as it departed the area. One Marine was injured in the attack. Afghan witnesses told reporters and human rights investigators that the company fired on civilians who were on foot or in vehicles as the convoy raced away, according to Associated Press reports.

Army Maj. Gen. Frank Kearney, then head of Special Operations Forces at U.S. Central Command, ordered the company out of Afghanistan. That created an inter-service dust up when the first MARSOC commander, Maj. Gen. Dennis J. Hejlik, criticized the decision in the press.

Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James T. Conway backed him up and called an Army officer’s issuance of an official apology and condolence payments to victims’ families “premature” since an investigation was still underway. MARSOC said the convoy was fired upon after the detonation.

Hejlik relieved the company commander and a platoon leader of their duties. An administrative court of inquiry in May 2008 ultimately decided not to press criminal charges against the two officers, a decision that sparked outrage in Afghanistan.

Robeson said he perceives no blowback from the incident.

“There are always lessons learned, but there were no consequences,” he said. Other companies remained in Afghanistan, and MARSOC forces have been there ever since.

“Commanders in Afghanistan are going in the opposite direction. They have asked us to double the amount of forces,” he said.

“I have run into absolutely zero points of friction within SOCOM regarding our desire for us to be fully engaged” in Afghanistan, Robeson added.

As for greater acceptance in the special operations community, where inter-service rivalries are common, MARSOC has had to prove itself, officers said.

Col. Daniel Masur, commander of MARSOC’s advisor group, said there is more knowledge now of what the new force can do in the special operations realm.

“The true awareness really comes with our interactions downrange,” he said.

“We’ve been very gainfully employed and every time a MARSOC element goes downrange and works side by side with other SOF elements, that’s where the knowledge comes of what MARSOC brings to the table,” Masur said.

MARSOC can also serve as a conduit between the Marine Corps and units working under Special Operations Command, Robeson said.

In the past, Marine Corps units “and SOF forces have operated in the same area and never even waved at each other,” he said.

Col. Mark Aycock, commander of MARSOC’s support group, said, “Once they see us in action or work with us, then they start to develop an appreciation for what we can bring to the special ops fight. As well as what we can’t bring.”

MARSOC is a work in progress. “Not everything was right on day one considering the time frame given to the founders,” he acknowledged.

There are probably those within the Defense Department who believe MARSOC still needs to prove itself, he said.

“There will always be some sense of rivalry, but it’s going to help us get better in the long run… It’s not a bad thing,” he added.

Army Special Forces have been surprised by the support group’s capabilities, he said.

It provides communications, logistics, military canine units, intelligence personnel and other services to MARSOC deployments overseas. But Aycock has sent some of his teams abroad to assist special operators from other services.

There was also early criticism from some within the Marine Corps community that MARSOC would “gut” other forces — take their best and brightest — especially from the Corps’ force reconnaissance units.

Aycock said he has heard some of these concerns secondhand, but never anything directly.

“I can see where there might be that perception because there are a lot of young Marines out there who believe MARSOC is special. Whether that impression is accurate or not is beside the point.”

There have not been any shortages of volunteers, Robeson said.

If a Marine expresses a desire to join MARSOC, the command works through Marine Corps headquarters to see if the recruit can attend an initial selection process. About 53 percent of those invited make it through and receive permanent orders to join MARSOC.

Aycock said the command is taking a wide net approach to recruiting. It’s “not doing a name-by-name search looking for the Bronze Star winners or the Silver Star winners, etc,” he said.

Robeson noted that those who come to MARSOC have already gone through a rigorous and intense boot camp earlier in their career.

“I’m recruiting a different product than what Navy SEALS are recruiting out of big Navy or even what Special Forces are recruiting out of big Army,” he said.

“That doesn’t make us better, it just means that I’m recruiting from a different population.” He is not arguing that MARSOC forces are superior to other special operators.

“I believe we are equal to them,” he said. “I think that we bring with us a Marine Corps culture that makes us very comfortable in the backwaters and ungoverned spaces of the world.”

Those who believe that Marines are only “shock troops” — good at taking hills in bloody battles — don’t have a firm grasp of military history, Robeson said. The service has always excelled at small unit training, humanitarian operations and other so-called “indirect” skills that special operations forces are required to perform.

“My biggest challenge is ensuring that we don’t overextend ourselves while we’re still in the process of growing the force.”

Aycock said since the command is not fully mission capable yet, he does not have a lot of depth on his support teams. That’s especially true in the intelligence field. The training and retention of intelligence officers is a problem throughout the Marine Corps right now, and MARSOC is “feeling the pain like everybody else.”

Robeson said: “Right now I have more requests for MARSOC than I can effectively support while growing the force at the same time.”
Reader Comments

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

Hey Hank James, you're an idiot. SF soldiers are indigenous aides and weapons experts (whoopie). Robin Sage, oh me..We get your alls hand me downs and still do more. MARSOC rules!!!

brian woodward on 12/03/2009 at 00:11

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

Bottom line,MARSOC is taking an already highly trained piece of gear,and refining it.Imagine the possibilities once you get past the ego trips.YEMX 1775-BEN

ben on 09/06/2009 at 19:04

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

I've been in for 3 years exact in the marine corp as an 0311 grunt. i agree with the fact that recruiting marines out of the fleet marine force is a major difference from rangers and green berets recruiting their soldiers from their regular fleet unit. as to that concept, we as marines are well versed and best trained with less equipment and gear, but we do make the best out of it. after 3 months of intense boot camp, i was sent straight to ITB school of infantry. prior to that bootcamp was challenging physically and mentally. compared to my cousins army camp, their bootcamp was coed boys and girl soldiers. phone calls were granted every weekend, they got holidays, and most made friends with their drill sargeants, not to mention their 3 stress cards they get. compared to the corps boot camp that ive been through, you are no where close to being in the realm of marine recruits pain just to make it through 3 months. 2 months of intense weapons training, leadership skills, defensive ops, urban ops, offensive ops, tactical patrols, 20 k humps, 0400 pt all day everyday, night raids, day raids, explosives handling, advance marksmanship, close quater battle, cmp ranges, martial arts marine corp style, weapons assembling and diassembling fom m9 to mark 19 etc... once i graduated i got sent to th fleet marine force in 29 palms, where i did 6 moths of none stop live fire ranges from 0300 till 0030 a whole day affair, some most of the time we conduct 10 to 20 day ops, among those ops, we commence nonstop urban assault, combat traking, more advance marksman in uknown distance, mounted assaults on light armored recon vehicles, cqb, you name ive done it with in 6 months. we would a a minimum of 3 hours sleep, at the most, 6 hours of sleep. i was a radio oerator of conducted comm operations and manged to learn how encrypt and decryt any millitary style green gear , in country i got to be a saw gunner. came back and got sent to ISLC squad leaders course as a lance corporal. graduated came back and assumed the responsibilities of a squadleader which is a sgt's job which i took as a lance corporal. my company we had 4 lance coporal squa leaders, and the rest corporal squad leader. youll never see that in the army, a squad leader is a staff sargeants job in the army. and ive pepared combat orders and trained my men for 4 moths and got sent into combat as a lance with a strategic corporals mentality. ive prepared oders, conducted and prepared raid misssions in real life situation and got awarded a corporal merotiously in the united states marine corp in combat. they gave 4 mothns to train as a sqd ldr and deployed immediatly all the other lances got meritorously promoted too. guess what im trying to say 5 years from now with the right training and the right personnel , marine corp will be the tip of the spear in special ops community. look at where these marines come from, their fleet marine background. we are the best because we dont have much but we dam sure make best out of it. you never heard of a specialist in charge of 15 man squad or 6 vics and 30 soldiers. well we have those people in the corp where marsoc can select from. green beret goes to their army unit which leader ship is a minimum, trust ive seen it for my own eyes, seals go to ther boat crews with no combat experience, and the airfoce with the sam problem.well for marsoc theres a thousand lance corporals with a powerful sense of honor and job or work ehtinc, with also a stragetic corporal mindset. and also imagine what a corporal or a sargeant is capable off!

John on 05/30/2009 at 08:59

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

i would be very grateful if you let me know if staff sergent colin thompson passed away on a special op in afghan ,,

fiona m doyle on 04/29/2009 at 16:22

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

Could I please ask if Sgt Colin Thompson passed away in Iraq after a special ops incident??

Dawn Willias on 02/27/2009 at 12:30

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

Also, if you think that the General was somehow saying that his guys not yet on the level as other SOF then you might want to look at the official report on the Proof of Concept of the USMC's ability to field a SOF Unit performed by SOCOM's Joint Special Operations University (JSOU). Which looked at abilities already resident in the USMC & a Proof of Concept Unit called DET-1 based on a MEU(SOC)'s MSPF.

The report concluded that not only are capabilities already resident in the select Marine Units comparable to TIER II SOF (SEALs, SF etc.) but many capabilities, in the areas of Reconnaissance/Surveillance, Direct Action, Fires Control, & Signals/HumInt/& Fusion Intelligence, are on par w/TIER I SMU's (Special Missions Units) & Task Forces.

What the General is talking about is not stripping those capabilities fr/ the Mother Corps, like they had to w/ Force Recon (which was a immediate need), but to grow their own.

Also what he's talking about is acceptance and the feel from other sevices that they need to prove themselves, mostly fr/the Army which is feeling some territorial encroachment.

An attitude that changes once supported by anyone of several capabilities inherent in the Marine Special Operations Companies & available to TIER I SMU's (or Black SOF) but not available to the SF, SEALs, or other White SOF.

Eric Jackson on 02/24/2009 at 19:19

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

Brian Hayse, I don't know if your trying to be PC or just don't understand the difference between Infantry Marines & Soldiers. There is a very different starting place when recruiting Marines to SOF and Soldiers. Its not a better than argument but the result of the different nature of the two organizations. If you don't understand this then you shouldn't comment.

You obviously believe there's no major between soldiers & Marines but to start there are the obvious and well known differences in Fitness Standards & Discipline.

Then there's the different Mentality that is fostered in Missions like the MEU(SOC), which every Marine Inf. BN cycles through.

Where the Inf BN has 6hrs notice to plan & execute Ops ranging fr/ Zodiac-borne Company-sized Clandestine Raids to Comp-sized Long Range Helo-borne Raids into foreign countries fr/the sea.

To TRAP inwhich the 15th MEUs Inf TRAP team rescued up a downed Delta tm & their Black Hawk in Oct '01 in A'stan.

There's the fact of more advanced training than the AVG Army Infantryman.

When the MEU(SOC) was started in '85 every Inf BN was trained in URBAN OPs something Army's Ranger BN's didn't begin to do until after SOMALIA in '93.

Theirs the Program of the STRATEGIC CORPORAL, a program started by Marines in the Mid 90's that basically said,every Marine Corporal must be trained as an Independent Operator capable of understanding the Strategic Nature of his decisions w/out influence of Higher HQ. A ground breaking Concept enacted at the time, but was criticised Army brass as a waste of training.

There's COMBAT HUNTER, training -EVERY- Marine to Observe, Surveil, Track, & develop Profiles on individuals in whole villages fr/ CONCEALED positions BEFORE making their presence known(i.e. a Patrol).

These are just a few of many programs that EVERY USMC Infantryman will be trained in PRIOR to his recruitment to SOF/MARSOC that simply make him a more well trained and better prepared Product for the SOF world. The Gen has -EVERY- right to acknowledge that.

Eric Jackson on 02/24/2009 at 18:38

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

I would like to offer my deepest sympathy to the family and comrades of sgt colin thompson

fiona m doyle on 02/20/2009 at 03:59

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

Just like Army SF after 40 years the MARSOC will eventually be on par with SOF counterparts - it just takes time - I disagree with the comments by "Smith" above - obviously SF A&A was not viewed before making that statement

Brian Hayse on 02/03/2009 at 11:11

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

Calling yourself "special ops" does not make it so. It'll be a cold day in hell before MARSOC can ever duplicate Army SOF. Just not the same animal at all.

hank James on 02/01/2009 at 18:25

Re: Marine Special Operators Set Out to Prove Themselves

I believe that it will only be a matter of time until we all realize the truth in what the commander said in regard to the types being recruited from the Marine Corps in general for MARSOC. Without a doubt, as a whole, the regular infantry Marine is in better shape both physically and mentally prior to being considered than the other branches, not to mention the culture that is ingrained in them from the first day they start being trained to become Marines IF they in fact earn the title. It should be interesting to observe this transformation of SOC as a whole as a result of the Marine involvment. It will only make them all better in the long run and that is what is best for the country.

Mark Smith on 01/26/2009 at 15:59

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